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BobList
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Joined: 09 Nov 2002
Posts: 1104
Location: Baltimore, MD
| | Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:46 am Post subject: | I sold a Bach 37 a few years ago To John Lynch..he re-sold it after going over it a bit...
Bb # 126951.. bought in 1976.. she was a good-un . I wonder who has it now?
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riffdawg2000
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Joined: 13 May 2003
Posts: 1153
Location: Atlanta, GA
| | Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: | My current Bachs are good:
Bb - 423xxx - good horn (all standard except the 'O' ring on 1st slide)
C - 347xxx - (Lg bore) nice horn ((all standard except the 'O' ring on 1st slide, after market 25S lead pipe)
*** Contemplating a PVA for both of the above to see if that turns them into GREAT horns *** Any comments???
My past Bachs were good and bad:
Bb - early 70's ML 43 .. sophomore recitial on it in 1993 . okay horn, not as good as my present one) .. sold it to a talented HS kid .. good story.
C - early 90's ML 229 .. orginially stuffy - replaced Leadpipe w/ Blackburn..still a little stuffy .. sold it.
Bb - High School horn .. early 80s model, 180-37ML. Pretty good horn, kind of miss it.
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Irving
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Joined: 11 Feb 2003
Posts: 1450
| | Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:49 am Post subject: | | It's not so much the serial numbers, but rather, the guy(s) that put the horn together. That, in a nutshell, is what determines how a Bach is going to come off of the assembly line. The parts are all the same, but the way those parts are put together differs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the people putting the horns together are factory workers, not musicians. They might not understand, or care how the horns should be put together, as long as they look good. It could also be a question of having to work fast, since there might be quotas to fulfill. So the parts are there, ready to be turned into great horns..if the company decides that that is what they are interested in doing. |
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Leadpipe
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Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 35
Location: Middlebridge, RI
| | Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:56 am Post subject: | Bb= 315*** great horn. wouldn't trade it for anything.
C= 510*** nice horn. would gladly replace it with a Mt. Vernon though! |
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jophst
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Joined: 04 Jan 2003
Posts: 3136
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
| | Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:04 am Post subject: | I certainly agree that it depends TOTALLY on who assembles the horn.
This is just for amusement purposes. Maybe with the results, we can estimate a period where they had a better staff than others .. again just for amusement.
This also serves as a chance for those proud Bach owners to come out and say how much they like there horns . or how much they don't like them. Either way everyone here on this thread would like to know.
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tptscream
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Joined: 22 Feb 2002
Posts: 119
Location: Ontario
| | Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:16 am Post subject: | Here's a hot-rodded Strad that's worked well in all situations for me: serial 134xxx, ( about 1977), 43* bell / 43 leadpipe, Curry brass valve buttons, stems, and heavy caps, ( or stock, depending on the desired level of darkness), Kanstul adjustable bell brace, Amado water key. Ted Sparks of Toronto was instrumental ( haha ) in turning this old Strad into the monster it now is! It's the one I keep coming back to.
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DaveH
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Joined: 20 Nov 2001
Posts: 3861
| | Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:44 am Post subject: | Hello, tptscream,
Hey, not meaning to change the subject here, but how are things up in Huntsville, Ontario these days?
I used to go up Highway 11 - I think - past Huntsville, even stopped there a couple times - for many years to get to Port Loring. It's been many years since I made the trip from here in Northeast Ohio, however. Went up 11 to Highway 522 at Trout Creek and turned west to go back to Port Loring. There used to be a camp back there called Rogerson's. On the Pickerel River. Used to do lot of fishing there.
Rogerson's sold the camp a few years ago. It was beautiful country, and used to be good fishing.
Went up to North Bay a couple times. Nice town also.
Back about 1964, we went all the way up to a little town called Matheson, thinking that by going so far north, the fishing would be great. However, I remember hearing that all the cobalt, etc. in the water reduced the quality of fishing.. dunno..but we didn't do very well.. |
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FlugelFlyer
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Joined: 19 Dec 2002
Posts: 1450
Location: Illinois
| | Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:33 am Post subject: | 511,037 is the horn I own and gets rave reviews by everyone who plays it, despite it's dirty condition and rotten valves. BTW, somewhere in that vicinity of SN's is a matching horn that was stolen from our family, and was also a decent horn. Anyone know where I can post something about this?
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Nick
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Joined: 21 Nov 2003
Posts: 1
| | Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:59 pm Post subject: | Hey-
Fantastic-
43LR-Goldbrass 24 kt plated (549,XXX)
43LT-Silver (492XXX)
Played some nasty ones though.
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texastrumpet
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Joined: 21 Nov 2003
Posts: 5
| | Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:44 pm Post subject: | | My Mt. Vernon Strad is #7812, and I love it. |
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tptscream
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Joined: 22 Feb 2002
Posts: 119
Location: Ontario
| | Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:26 am Post subject: | Howdy Dave. Things in Huntsville are just dandy, I just moved up from Toronto a couple of months ago. I worked here in the 80's doing a resort show gig for a number of years and then moved to the city..guess what, couldn't wait to get back here! It's a lot slower here than in Toronto, but my wife and I don't mind that a bit.
Cheers!
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jophst
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Joined: 04 Jan 2003
Posts: 3136
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
| | Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:18 am Post subject: | Thought you guys might like to know the results. Based off the results, it actually proves ..
NOTHING!
Of course, this survey is biased to only good horns as none of us would keep a bad one, or even want to remember it for that matter. It appears that most of us prefer the older horns though & that 1995 was apparently a bad year for them. ENJOY!
Great:
7xxx
13xxx
17xxx
17xxx
23xxx
31xxx
33xxx
36xxx
39xxx
47xxx
49xxx
53xxx
55xxx
75xxx
86xxx
109xxx
126xxx
129xxx
134xxx
144xxx
150xxx
177xxx
198xxx
284xxx
300xxx
303xxx
315xxx
347xxx
359xxx
400xxx
404xxx
423xxx
439xxx
451xxx
492xxx
500xxx
510xxx
511xxx
549xxx
Terrible:
454xxx
455xxx
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Ruechel
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Joined: 22 Aug 2003
Posts: 263
Location: New York City
| | Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:01 pm Post subject: | | i have a raw brass bach ML 37 serial 386*** great horn |
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richwharton
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Joined: 25 Nov 2003
Posts: 44
Location: Chicago
| | Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject: | Hi Friend,
My Lightweight Bb strad serial 44XXXX is great!
Regards,
RW |
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riffdawg2000
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Joined: 13 May 2003
Posts: 1153
Location: Atlanta, GA
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: | Time to relive this post ..
Okay .. say you have a 'psudo-dog' of a Bach .. what do you think would happen if a excellent repairman would take the horn COMPLETELY apart, all the way to the joints, etc .. remove (if any) solder 'errors', correct any other 'careless manuf' errors, reassemble stress-free..and have a PVA.
Do you thing the horn would turn from psudo-dog to very good..or even excellent???
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fuzzyjon79
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Joined: 17 Apr 2003
Posts: 3013
Location: Nashville, TN
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:55 am Post subject: | I think riffdawg is on to something.. and I actually wondered that myself.. can a good repairman take a 'dog' of a Bach and make it a great playing horn? What really makes a Bach a bad horn? Mis-aligned valves, too much stress, etc, etc..?
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riffdawg2000
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Location: Atlanta, GA
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:01 am Post subject: | This is something that KevinInGeorgia and I have discussed in length. Kevin's Mount Vernon C he bought @ ITG in 1993 was in BAD shape. 'Our' repair guy did basically what I described .. everyone who has ever touched and played that horn has loved it!
Granted, Bach, Yamaha, etc..horns are mass produced. Understood. But what all do you think Malone, Laskey, etc . do to the 'stock' horns they get?? Okay..change the leadpipe is a major one .. but just about everything else they do is exactly what I described above .. except for annealing the bell..which makes the metal it softer.
Besides the leadpipe and the annealing .. couldn't a regular, EXCELLENT, repair tech turn a dog into a star?
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The Royal Lancer
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Posts: 136
Location: Detroit, Michigan
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: | I have a B-flat 37 model that is great. The serial # is 37672
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PH
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Joined: 26 Nov 2001
Posts: 5610
Location: Bloomington Indiana
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:04 am Post subject: | | My current #575415 is one of the best horns I've ever played and the best I've ever owned. |
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riffdawg2000
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Location: Atlanta, GA
| | Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:45 am Post subject: | Lets focus on the newer models Yr-2003 to today. What are the feelings of quaility .. compared to say the 1990s . or even the 1980s .
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